Judging Requests

Each competition there are requests for the Gymternet judges to evaluate this or that routine. If the mods don’t mind, let’s start a dedicated thread to collect all the requests and assessments in one place. Especially during the Olympics, scattering requests throughout the qualifications subdivisions threads might get messy.

If anybody wants to have a crack at these, I’d love to hear what you’d score them:

Rebeca Andrade UB: https://twitter.com/i/status/1419395860559917057

Lee Yun-seo UB: https://twitter.com/i/status/1419268415231909894

ANDRADE
maloney st 1/1 DD .2
p tkachev pak ed .2
van leeuwen e
p jaeger E
toe 1/1 full out DD .1
EEEDDDDD 3.5 + 2.0 + .5 = 6.0

Maloney bent arms upon regrasp .1
Maloney leg separation on backswing .1 (overall lack of extension on this backswing: slightly bent knees, opening the shoulder angle)

Stalder 1/1 bent arms .1
Stalder 1/1 late .5

Tap before piked Tkachev bent knees .1
I would not deduct the bent arms upon catch in real time probably. It’s minor imo

Glorious Pak salto
KCH bent arms .1

Van Leeuwen bent arms upon regrasp .1

1/2 turn precision/alignment (torso twisting) .1

Piked Jaeger bent arms catch .1 (borderline .3 but hard to tell from this angle)

1/2 pirouette late .3 (close to .1 but Idts)

Toe 1/1 looks clean !
Foot flexion on dismount .1

8.3

If she does her stalder 1/1 better and connects it to the piked Tkachev, which she can, she’s looking at ~14.6 for a hit set.

I’ll be posting routine evaluations in this thread so they’re easier for people to find.

Yuna Hiraiwa - Balance Beam, Qualifications

Acro

1 x E (layout to two feet)
3 x D (aerial, side aerial, 2 1/2 twist dismount)

Total Acro DV - 1.7

Dance

2 x E (Mitchell, switch ring leap)
2 x D (split ring jump, double turn in tuck stand)

Total Dance DV - 1.8

CV / Series Bonus

roundoff + layout to two feet (B + E acro) - 0.1 CV

Total CV / SB = 0.1

CR

Dance Series - split jump + wolf jump
Turn - Mitchell
Acro Series with Salto - round off + layout to two feet
Acro Elements in Different Directions - layout to two feet, aerial

Total D - 3.5 + 0.1 + 2.0 = 5.6

Deductions

Mitchell

  • (lack of precision / off-axis during turn) 0.1

layout to two feet

  • (leg separation) 0.1
  • (deviation from ideal landing posture / chest forward) 0.1
  • (small balance adjustment) 0.1

wolf jump

  • (body posture, forward leg at, but not above horizontal) 0.1 ^
  • (small balance adjustment) 0.1 ^

switch ring leap

  • (body posture, back foot at head height) 0.1
  • (medium balance adjustment) 0.3

split ring jump

  • (body posture, forward leg below horizontal) 0.1
  • (small balance adjustment) 0.1

double turn in tuck stand

  • (lack of precision / off-axis during turn) 0.1

side aerial

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (insufficient height) 0.1
  • (medium balance adjustment) 0.3

2 1/2 twist

  • (crossed legs) 0.1
  • (hop on landing) 0.1

Total - 1.8 - 2.0

Artistry

  • (Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements) 0.1

Total E - 7.9 - 8.1 / (-1.9 - 2.1)

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Yun-seo Lee - Uneven Bars - Qualifications

4 x E (piked stalder full, Komova, stalder Shaposhnikova 1/2, piked Jaegar
4 x D (Pak salto, piked stalder 1/2, stalder full, full twisting double tuck)

Total DV - 3.6

CV

piked stalder full + Komova + Pak salto + stalder Shaposhnikova 1/2 (D + D or higher, both with turn or flight, E + D or higher, both with flight x 2) 0.5

piked stalder 1/2 + piked Jaegar (D + D or higher both with turn or flight) 0.1

stalder full + full twisting double tuck (D + D or higher both with turn or flight) 0.1

Total CV - 0.7

CR

Flight from high bar to low bar - Pak salto
Flight element on same bar - piked Jaegar
Different Grips - piked stalker 1/2, piked Jaegar
Non-flight with 360 degree turn - piked stalder full

Total D - 3.6 + 0.7 + 2.0 = 6.3

Deductions

piked stalder full

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (bent arms) 0.1
  • (angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

Komova

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (bent arms upon regrasp) 0.1

Pak salto

  • (angle of completion → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.1

stalder Shaposhnikova 1/2

  • (flexed feet) 0.1

piked stalder 1/2

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (bent arms) 0.1
  • (angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

giant 1/2

  • (angle of completion → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.3

stalder full

  • (angle of completion → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.3

full twisting double tuck

  • (bent knees on giant swing) 0.3
  • (movement of feet on landing) 0.1

Total Deductions - (2.0) 8.0

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Sunisa Lee - Uneven Bars. Qualifications

1 x G (layout toe-on Tkatchev / Nabieva)
3 x E (Bhardwaj, piked Jaeger, van Leeuwen)
4 x D (Maloney, Gienger, Pak salto, full twisting double tuck dismount)

Total DV - 3.8

CV:

Nabieva + Bhardwaj (E + D or higher, both with flight) - 0.2

Maloney + Gienger (E + D or higher, both with flight, and D flight from low bar to high bar + C or higher with turn or flight on high bar) - 0.4

piked Jaeger + Pak salto + van Leeuwen (E + D or higher, both with flight x 2) - 0.4

Total CV - 0.8

CR

Flight from high bar to low bar - Bhardwaj
Flight element on same bar - Nabieva
Different Grips - Maloney, piked Jaeger
Non-flight with 360 degree turn - giant full

Total D - 3.8 + 0.8 + 2.0 = 6.6

Deductions

cast to handstand with legs straddled

  • (body posture / pike in hips) 0.1

Nabieva

  • (leg separation → greater than shoulder width) 0.3 ^ (likely not as obvious from side)
  • (flexed feet) 0.1

cast to handstand with legs straddled

  • (body posture / pike in hips) 0.1

Gienger

  • (insufficient height, hips below bar height upon regrasp) 0.3

cast to handstand with legs straddled

  • (body posture / pike in hips) 0.1

Pak salto

  • (angle of completion → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.1

van Leeuwen

  • (leg separation) 0.1

cast to handstand with legs straddled

  • (body posture / pike in hips) 0.1

giant full

  • (angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1 (Lee is getting good about getting the second hand back on the bar early which is the deciding factor of when the pirouette is complete.)

full twisting double tuck

  • (leg separation) 0.1
  • (hop on landing) 0.1

Total Deductions - (1.4 - 1.6) 8.4 - 8.6

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I’d love to see a breakdown of Vanessa’s FX.

Vanessa Ferrari - Floor Exercise, Qualification

Acro:

1 x H (tucked double/double / Silivas)
1 x E (tucked full-in)
1 x D (double tuck)

Total Acro DV - 1.7

Dance:

4 x D (full twisting switch leap, full twisting split ring leap to ring / Ferrari, Memmel turn, 1 1/2 twisting split leap)
1 x C (switch ring leap)

Total Dance DV - 1.9

CV

whip + tucked full-in (A + E) = 0.2 CV

front layout stepout + round off + back handspring + double tuck (B + indirect D) = 0.1 CV

Total CV - 0.3

CR

Dance Passage - switch ring leap to full twisting switch leap
Salto with 360 LA turn - Silivas
Double Salto - double tuck
Salto Backward and Forward - tucked full-in, front layout

Total D - 3.6 + 0.3 + 2.0 = 5.9

Elements or Connections Downgraded

1 1/2 twisting split leap

  • Downgrade to full twisting split leap because the turn was not fully completed

Total D - 3.5 + 0.3 + 2.0 = 5.8

Deductions

Silivas

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (hop on landing) 0.1

tucked full-in

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (leg separation) 0.1 (on the angle of the replay it was clearly greater than shoulder width on the second salto, so a potential 0.3)
  • (deviation from ideal landing position / chest forward) 0.1
  • (hop on landing) 0.1

Ferrari

  • (body shape → insufficient arch) 0.1
  • (balance error on landing) 0.1

Memmel turn

  • (body shape → bent knee, and split position) 0.3
  • (lack of precision / turn overrotated) 0.1

1 1/2 twisting split leap

  • (lack of precision) 0.1
  • (landed with feet apart) 0.1

front layout stepout

  • (bent knees) 0.1

double tuck

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (adjustment on landing) 0.1

Artistry

  • Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements 0.1

Total E - (1.8 - 2.0) 8.0 - 8.2

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Thanks! I wasn’t able to watch it closely as I was watching one of the other streams. You E score is right where the judges were (8.266) but they must not have given her the downgrade (?) as her D score was 5.9. If they had given the 5.8, she would have tied Andrade and been behind Simone and Jade. Can’t wait to see those 4 duke it out in the final!

Did anyone figure out Morgan’s FX D debate? That was a really long score wait. 4.5 D so missed dance requirement?

Could someone do Sanne Wevers´ beam? Her E seemed a bit low, but maybe I’m biased. Sanne herself thought it was a little low too. Thanks!

Sanne Wevers - Balance Beam, Qualifications

Acro

5 x D (back handspring stepout mount, side aerial, aerial, Kochetkova, gainered full twisting layout dismount)

Total Acro DV - 2.0

Dance

1 x E (double turn with leg at horizontal)
2 x D (full twisting wolf jump, double turn)

Total Dance DV - 1.3

CV / Series Bonus

aerial + split jump + Kochetkova (D + B mixed x 2) = 0.2 CV + 0.1 SB

full turn with leg at horizontal + full turn + double turn + split leap + full twisting straight jump (C + A turn x 2) = 0.2 CV + 0.1 SB (for double turn + split leap + full twisting straight jump)

Total CV / SB = 0.6

CR

Dance Series - double turn + split leap
Turn - double turn with leg at horizontal
Acro Series with Salto - side aerial + back handspring stepout
Acro Elements in Different Directions - aerial, Kochetkova

Total D - 3.3 + 0.6 + 2.0 = 5.9

Downgrades

double turn with leg at horizontal

  • Free leg dropped before second turn was fully completed → Credit as 1 1/2 turn with leg at horizontal or double turn. In this case credit as 1 1/2 turn because it’s the most favorable evaluation for the gymnast.

Total D - 3.2 + 0.6 + 2.0 = 5.8

Deductions

back handspring stepout mount

  • (medium balance adjustment) 0.3

full twisting wolf jump

  • (body shape → legs at horizontal, but not above + flexed foot) 0.3 ^

double turn with leg at horizontal

  • (body posture) 0.1
  • (balance adjustment / fall out of turn) 0.3

side aerial

  • (flexed feet) 0.1

aerial

  • (bent knee) 0.1

aerial + split jump

  • (poor rhythm of connection) 0.1

split leap

  • (body posture - insufficient split → between 0 and 20 degrees) 0.1

split leap + full twisting straight jump

  • (poor rhythm of connection) 0.1

gainered full twisting layout dismount

  • (insufficient height) 0.1 ^
  • (failure to maintain stretched position) 0.3

Total - 1.9

Artistry

  • (Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements) 0.1

Total E - (-1.7 - 2.0) 8.0 - 8.3

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Amelie Morgan - Floor Exercise, Qualification

Acro:

2 x D (double tuck, 2 1/2 twist)
1 x C (layout front full)

Total Acro DV - 1.1

Dance:

3 x D (double turn with leg in horizontal, full twisting split ring leap to ring / Ferrari, double turn in tuck stand)
2 x C (switch ring leap, switch leap 1/2)

Total Dance DV - 1.8

CV

2 1/2 twist + front pike (D + A) = 0.1 CV

Total CV - 0.1

CR

Dance Passage - switch ring leap to switch leap 1/2
Salto with 360 LA turn - 2 1/2 twist
Double Salto - double tuck
Salto Backward and Forward - 2 1/2 twist, layout front full

Total D - 2.9 + 0.1 + 2.0 = 5.0

Elements or Connections Downgraded

double turn with leg at horizontal

  • Free leg dropped before second turn was fully completed → Credit as full turn with leg at horizontal (B element)

double turn in tuckstand

  • Turn not fully completed → Credit as full turn in tuckstand (A element)

Total D - 2.4 + 0.1 + 2.0 = 4.5

Deductions

double turn with leg at horizontal

  • (body posture) 0.1
  • (lack of precision) 0.1
  • (loss of balance / fell out of turn) 0.3

double tuck

  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (hop on landing) 0.1

Ferrari

  • (body posture → forward leg below horizontal) 0.1
  • (balance error on landing) 0.1 ^

2 1/2 twist

  • (crossed legs) 0.1
  • (bent knees) 0.1
  • (landed with feet apart) 0.1

front pike

  • (adjustment of feet) 0.1

double turn in tuck stand

  • (body posture → slightly bent knee, flexed foot, undefined arm position) 0.3
  • (lack of precision) 0.1

front handspring

  • (flexed feet) 0.1

Artistry

  • Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements 0.1

Total E - (1.9) 8.1

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Thank you for this.

I thought Urazova’s TF fx was a bit low. Thoughts?

She doesn’t have huge acro difficulty and ends on a double full

Urazova was down on her prelim score on floor.

Qualification: 5.3 and 8.333 = 13.633

Team final: 5.1 and 8.266= 13.366

I wondered if she lost her triple wolf?

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Or her Memmel?

I remember thinking one of her spins was short. We’ll have to see if they show it in primetime.

Vladislava Urazova - Floor Exercise, Team Final

Acro:

1 x E (piked full-in)
2 x D (2 1/2 twist, double tuck)
1 x C (double twist)

Total Acro DV - 1.6

Dance:

1 x E (Mitchelle)
2 x D (Memmel turn, double turn in tuck stand)
1 x C (full twisting split leap)

Total Dance DV - 1.6

CV

2 1/2 twist + front tuck (D + A) = 0.1 CV

Total CV - 0.1

CR

Dance Passage - split leap to full twisting split leap
Salto with 360 LA turn - piked full-in
Double Salto - double tuck
Salto Backward and Forward - 2 1/2 twist, front tuck

Total D - 3.2 + 0.1 + 2.0 = 5.3

Elements or Connections Downgraded

Memmel turn

  • Free leg dropped out of split before second turn was fully completed. It also looks like her foot might have come off the floor since she hopped/slid over to the right → Credit as full turn with leg at horizontal (B element)

Total D - 3.0 + 0.1 + 2.0 = 5.1

Deductions

Memmel turn

  • (lack of precision) 0.1
  • (medium balance error) 0.3 (I went with 0.3 due to the fall out of the turn and the hop/slide to the side)

piked full-in

  • (leg separation) 0.1
  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (body posture on landing / low chest, but above hip height) 0.1
  • (step on landing) 0.1

2 1/2 twist

  • (crossed legs) 0.1

front tuck

  • (small landing adjustment) 0.1

Mitchell

  • (small balance error) 0.1

double turn in tuckstand

  • (lack of precision / overrotated turn) 0.1

double tuck

  • (leg separation) 0.1
  • (flexed feet) 0.1
  • (deviation from ideal landing position / chest slightly low and forward) 0.1 ^

double twist

  • (leg separation) 0.1
  • (small hop on landing) 0.1

Artistry

  • Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements 0.1

Total E - (1.7 -1.8) 8.2 - 8.3

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